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LINDA HOLMES, HOST:

Stephen, you already know what we did not get once we began this present? We did not get traders.

STEPHEN THOMPSON, HOST:

That’s true. We didn’t. We might have made it a web based startup the place we put foosball tables and water cannons in our workplace.

HOLMES: It could be clear by now, however at the moment we will revisit our episode in regards to the ABC hit present – and it’s a hit present – “Shark Tank.” For these of you who do not know what “Shark Tank” is, you get a gaggle of rich traders who hearken to pitches from individuals who have invented one thing.

THOMPSON: It could be an app. It could be a toy. It could be a belt that may maintain a beer can. Then the traders determine whether or not to put money into the enterprise, they usually negotiate with the entrepreneur, generally competing with one another to get the deal. I am Stephen Thompson.

HOLMES: And I am Linda Holmes. And at the moment on POP CULTURE HAPPY HOUR, we’re bringing you an encore of our episode about “Shark Tank,” so do not go away.

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HOLMES: Glen Weldon, who writes for npr.org. Hello, Glen.

GLEN WELDON, BYLINE: Hey, Linda.

HOLMES: And with us this week, contemporary blood for “Shark Tank.”

TAMARA KEITH, BYLINE: (Laughter).

HOLMES: The contemporary blood that we now have with us – we now have a brand-new fourth chair, however not a brand new voice to these of you who hearken to, amongst different issues, the NPR Politics Podcast. We’re welcoming NPR White Home correspondent Tamara Keith. Hello.

KEITH: Hey.

HOLMES: So I’ve heard that you’re a “Shark Tank” particular person. I’ve been listening to this for some time…

KEITH: That is true.

HOLMES: …That you just watch “Shark Tank.”

KEITH: I am not a client of a variety of widespread tradition, however I’m an enormous client, for causes I do not totally perceive, of “Shark Tank.”

HOLMES: I am undecided anybody understands why they watch “Shark Tank.”

(LAUGHTER)

HOLMES: I like “Shark Tank,” however I am undecided I might clarify what it’s I like about it. Are you able to consider something that you simply like about it that is simple to place your finger on?

KEITH: Sure. I believe that it’s comparatively uplifting. It’s low on kind of private drama.

HOLMES: Proper.

KEITH: It does require you to assume. You would possibly even must do a tiny little bit of math whereas watching the present.

HOLMES: It is true.

THOMPSON: Yeah.

KEITH: ‘Trigger they’re going to say, you already know, I am providing you 10% of my firm for $200,000, and then you definately sort of must be in your head like, OK, so that they’re saying the corporate is price someplace round $2 million – oh, OK. And so they do royalty offers with percentages.

THOMPSON: Loans.

HOLMES: It’s a TV present that has extra math than most.

KEITH: Yeah. And it is not that I am good at math. I imply, I am a political reporter, not a science reporter.

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HOLMES: Proper. Proper.

KEITH: However I get pleasure from, like, kind of considering by the offers. What would I do on this case? , I like shouting on the tv and saying, why did you go along with that deal? That is the more serious deal. Why would you try this?

HOLMES: Proper, completely. ‘Trigger generally the one shark – so the sharks embody some people who find themselves kind of already well-known, proper? Mark Cuban is on this present more often than not. Daymond John, who created FUBU, the clothes line, is usually on. There are a few different people who find themselves not fairly as well-known however are – you already know, turned well-known by this present.

THOMPSON: Together with, like, Lori Greiner, who is called the queen of QVC.

HOLMES: Proper. So she has sort of her personal specialty in QVC, and she or he’s all the time on the lookout for the product that is going to promote effectively on QVC. One of many nice hits of “Shark Tank” – and you will see this should you ever go to, like, Mattress Tub & Past. And I believe additionally, you will see them at…

THOMPSON: Oh, they do a variety of them.

HOLMES: But in addition, like, at Goal you will see them. She did this take care of this man who – these individuals who made little scrubby pads, however they’ve a cheerful face. And it is one thing prefer it’s a agency scrubby pad if it is in scorching water, and it is a smooth scrubby pad if it is in chilly water or the opposite method round. And so they’re – like, you see them in each Goal now. And I all the time assume, boy, Lori Greiner does some bizarre stuff, however, boy, she made that Mr. Scrubby completely happy pad work. I do not keep in mind what it is known as precisely.

She makes a variety of offers for these little houseware issues, whereas a number of the different ones – Mark Cuban and a number of the different ones wish to make extra glamorous – like, they appear extra enthusiastic about, like, glamorous initiatives, like Mark Cuban loves tech.

KEITH: Sure, as a result of, as he’ll let you know, he made his cash in tech.

HOLMES: Yeah.

KEITH: That is the opposite factor is, like, they’re consistently, like, reasserting why they’re well-known unbelievable enterprise individuals.

HOLMES: Precisely, precisely. And Barbara Corcoran, who’s one of many two ladies, along with Lori Greiner, who’s essentially the most generally on, was an actual property particular person. So she talks loads about actual property, though she additionally now talks loads in regards to the leggings firm that she made well-known.

Glen, I’m so curious…

THOMPSON: Yeah. I’m, too. I’m, too.

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HOLMES: I am so curious what you took away from us making you watch “Shark Tank.”

WELDON: Yeah, I had by no means seen the present as a result of I suspected it wasn’t for me ‘trigger I haven’t got an entrepreneurial mindset or spirit. I’ve by no means had an authentic concept in my life. I am a critic. That is all I can do.

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HOLMES: Do not be that (ph)…

WELDON: And if you wish to make my eyes glaze over, if you wish to dispel me like I am a demon, if you wish to dispatch me to my dwelling dimension, you simply must say phrases like valuation, development, distribution and scalable. Or you must say, as they mentioned at one level in a single introduction, innovation within the tenting area. Like, nope.

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WELDON: So I suspected I would be detached. That is OK – proper? – ‘trigger this present is a diversion. This can be a present to fold laundry to.

HOLMES: Yeah.

THOMPSON: Yeah.

WELDON: And there must be many reveals like that.

HOLMES: That is true.

WELDON: I additionally thought since I am such a course of nerd – I like to determine how issues work, what the logistics of every little thing is – possibly that may hit these receptors in my mind. So I used to be ready to be sort of detached. I used to be not ready to hate it as a lot as I did.

THOMPSON: (Laughter).

WELDON: This present – and I am taking this far too significantly. I get that. However this present is constructed on the proposition that promoting someone crap they do not want is one way or the other noble or romantic or courageous.

HOLMES: Or I will let you know what they do deal with it as, and that’s American.

THOMPSON: Yeah.

WELDON: Precisely, precisely. That is late-stage capitalism, the present.

HOLMES: Yeah.

WELDON: And that is advantageous. However simply these fawning profiles of members of the investor class, like, which I collect is new this yr, proper? Like, all that stuff about…

HOLMES: New within the final yr or two…

WELDON: Proper.

THOMPSON: (Unintelligible).

HOLMES: …That they do, like, ta-da, well-known one who invests cash.

WELDON: Yeah.

HOLMES: And that is how they turned extra well-known and wealthy.

WELDON: Yeah. And so this shares a number of the conceptual DNA of “The Apprentice,” which is why I had the identical sort of…

HOLMES: Certain. It does

WELDON: …Hate relationship with “The Apprentice.” These stilted pitches that the present is constructed on…

HOLMES: Yeah.

WELDON: …They simply – they don’t entertain me.

HOLMES: Yeah.

WELDON: They’re simply cringeworthy. And we’ll speak in regards to the sharks. I suppose we now have to name them the sharks. that rubs me the unsuitable method as a result of – if this present was known as “Dragons’ Den,” like it’s within the U.Okay., I believe I would prefer it extra ‘trigger dragons are cooler than sharks.

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WELDON: That is simply science.

HOLMES: All proper.

WELDON: All of them evince to a person, to a girl this sort of go well with bro sensibility I simply discover repellent. And in case you are pitching a present to me and also you say, effectively, it will get actually thrilling once they begin haggling over percentages…

HOLMES: Yeah.

WELDON: …I will let you know I’m checked out.

HOLMES: True.

WELDON: I’ve a number of questions on this present.

HOLMES: Proper.

THOMPSON: Proper.

WELDON: I’ve a variety of questions on why – the very query you requested earlier, why do individuals like this?

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WELDON: However I’ve talked sufficient. So let’s hear from of us.

HOLMES: Inform me what you are considering, Tam.

KEITH: It’s completely different than “The Apprentice” in a variety of methods, in that the climax of “The Apprentice” is somebody failing.

HOLMES: Proper.

KEITH: And, you already know, each present, it is about firing someone, and there is a sure negativity to that, whereas that is supposed to uplift. Like, for essentially the most half, the objective is for individuals to get offers and to, like, have their loopy little dream to make a wibble-wobble cup or no matter it’s – to have that realized.

THOMPSON: This present has Mark Burnett throughout it. Mark Burnett is the producer who introduced us “The Apprentice” and introduced us my least favourite tv present possibly ever, “Undercover Boss.”

WELDON: “Undercover Boss.”

KEITH: Oh, yeah.

HOLMES: But in addition “Survivor.”

THOMPSON: But in addition “Survivor,” which I like. However taking a look at his enterprise reveals, you’ve got “The Apprentice,” which, as you mentioned, Tam, has a negativity to it, but in addition a capriciousness to the result that ruined a variety of episodes of that present. “Undercover Boss” has this deification of executives, typically on the expense of working individuals in a method that I discover actually objectionable. This sort of will get round that by making it a little bit bit extra of a puzzle. I walked into this present with that skepticism about Mark Burnett on enterprise.

HOLMES: Proper, proper.

THOMPSON: And by, like, 20 minutes in, I used to be, like, yelling on the TV, like, oh, that valuation is simply method too excessive.

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THOMPSON: ? Or…

HOLMES: Which you haven’t any concept whether or not that is true or not.

KEITH: Proper.

THOMPSON: Or like, how will that scale?

KEITH: Yeah.

THOMPSON: It took me in all probability two episodes to get to, how will that scale?

HOLMES: How will that scale?

KEITH: Is there something proprietary about it?

THOMPSON: Yeah. These margins are horrible.

KEITH: Yeah.

THOMPSON: I believe to reply the query of why individuals prefer it, I discovered myself actually having fun with the act of predicting the place the issues and issues will come up with these pitches ‘trigger only a few individuals are coming in there with an ideal pitch. Only a few individuals are coming in there with, like, a product everyone desires the place they’ve made the suitable valuation and the suitable math and the place every little thing provides up and everyone’s simply clamoring. There’s often some downside that needs to be recognized and probably both solved or not solved. And I believe that’s enjoyable and attention-grabbing.

And each occasionally, you will get individuals known as on their crap in ways in which I discover actually enjoyable. There is a man I believe early in Season 8, this very voluble pitch grasp man – (imitating babbling). And Mark Cuban, who I’m very ambivalent about Mark Cuban.

KEITH: Yeah. Me, too.

THOMPSON: However Mark Cuban calls him (ph) and says, I do not assume I can do enterprise with anybody who says, (grunting).

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HOLMES: Yeah. And one other…

THOMPSON: And I beloved that.

HOLMES: Yeah. One other factor about Cuban is Cuban could be very particularly offended by pitches that he thinks are like snake oil…

THOMPSON: Yeah.

KEITH: Oh, yeah

HOLMES: …That he thinks are like well being claims. He – there was someone who had one in all these – like, you place this bracelet on, and it aligns your interior vitality forces or no matter. And mainly, Mark Cuban was like, you are a rip-off artist and the equal of, like, an individual who is sort of a snake oil salesman, and I’d by no means do enterprise with you ‘trigger I am offended by the whole existence of what you are attempting to make.

WELDON: Good for him.

HOLMES: And that does occur generally. And it stunned me the primary time or two that it occurred. However now I sort of know it is his factor.

WELDON: However this is my query in re the sharks. As you get to know them – I do not know these individuals.

HOLMES: Yeah.

WELDON: They’re all interchangeable to me proper now. As you get to know them over the course of a number of seasons, do they grow to be much less odious…

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WELDON: …And fewer bloated on their very own self-regard? I noticed…

THOMPSON: No.

KEITH: No.

WELDON: I noticed an episode the place – I believe it was Cuban. It was one in all them who was, how dare you are available in right here? Although you are – already made cash, you do not want us. You do not want our experience.

HOLMES: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

WELDON: The place does that come from?

HOLMES: It comes from having some huge cash…

THOMPSON: Yeah.

HOLMES: …And likewise being on tv, and the ability of these two issues to make you’re feeling like individuals should not hassle you with their regular lives, I really feel like.

WELDON: Yeah.

HOLMES: However I do assume the sharks, in a really delicate method, over time – and I – under no circumstances am I defending this as some sort of nice present. I am partaking it on the extent that you simply’re asking about it, proper?

WELDON: Certain.

HOLMES: I do assume that they reveal themselves over time to have completely different strengths and weaknesses, proper?

THOMPSON: Yeah.

HOLMES: There was an episode lately the place a girl got here in with a factor that was mainly a stuffed animal connected to a hairbrush.

WELDON: I noticed it.

HOLMES: And he or she mentioned, my daughters complain on a regular basis about me brushing their hair. I mainly put collectively a little bit stuffed animal with a hairbrush, and now they far more welcome having their hair brushed – proper? – as a result of it is a cute, little animal. That’s the sort of factor the place I might imagine it is dumb, however you’ll find stuff like that in shops far and wide. And if that precise factor does not exist already, that is a good suggestion, proper? And solely Lori of QVC valued that concept in any respect as a result of she thinks like an individual who watches QVC, whereas Mark Cuban tries to assume like a tech investor. And, like, generally they’ve had as a visitor Chris Sacca, who will are available in and begin speaking about how he was an early investor in Uber and all this different stuff. And he…

KEITH: Like, each 5 seconds, he says…

THOMPSON: Proper.

HOLMES: He is received to remind you.

KEITH: …Again after I was investing in Uber early on.

HOLMES: Precisely. Whereas Lori does have this – she’s barely extra considering sort of mass-produced client – on the one hand, you can say junk, and however, you can say issues individuals want to purchase. You will see her pop up generally in TV commercials for issues. There’s one with, like, a health board that you simply twist on.

THOMPSON: Yeah. Seen that one, yeah.

HOLMES: And you may see her on there as a result of she went for the plastic twisty board.

THOMPSON: Yup.

HOLMES: And there’s a distinction between those who’re going for the factor that is like, it is a tremendous thrilling product, and Lori, who’s like, I will promote this on QVC, I will put these in Walmart and I will promote an absolute squillion of them. And I’d not be stunned if on a, like, how many individuals truly purchase the factor, if she’s, like, the massively…

THOMPSON: Blowing individuals away.

HOLMES: …Most profitable one – not essentially by way of quantity of cash, however variety of purchasers of the issues.

THOMPSON: I do like the best way you’ll be able to sort of predict the motivations of every particular person with every product. And I get pleasure from sort of doing the equations in my head of, like, Mark Cuban’s going to go for that as a result of Mark Cuban is a billionaire who desires to be beloved.

HOLMES: Yeah.

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THOMPSON: And this product feels noble. Or, such as you mentioned about Lori, like, she’s going to be capable of promote that on QVC, or Daymond John shall be as a result of it has one thing to do with fishing. Robert Herjavec is sort of, I believe, essentially the most recreation for bizarre, foolish, like, let’s throw $50,000 at that and see what occurs.

HOLMES: He is the one who invested in Tipsy Elves, the ugly sweater – the ugly Christmas sweater firm that apparently has made, like, a gazillion {dollars}.

KEITH: And but he loses out on a variety of offers.

THOMPSON: Proper.

KEITH: Like, he is like individuals’s backup shark.

(LAUGHTER)

THOMPSON: The telephone name they make at 2 a.m.

KEITH: Yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

WELDON: This is my different query. I believe we have already touched on it. However, I imply, should you had children, I can see watching this present with children as a result of there’s info that will get handed alongside a couple of subject I discover very boring however I believe possibly American children would discover attention-grabbing, proper?

HOLMES: And…

KEITH: What?

HOLMES: I will say…

WELDON: It is, like, academic about enterprise.

KEITH: Capitalism?

WELDON: Yeah.

HOLMES: I will say possibly not only for children, however possibly additionally for me. I knew very, little or no about this sort of deal-making after I began watching “Shark Tank.” I nonetheless know little or no, proper? However I really feel like possibly I have been to the primary week of undergrad Enterprise 101 – proper? – as a result of I did study simply the straightforward – like, the best way you get an investor is that they take a specific amount of fairness in return for X amount of cash, and that is primarily based on what you assume the worth of your complete firm is, the best way that you will have, like, a spherical of traders who make investments once you worth your organization at X, after which once you are available in later, should you say, effectively, now the worth of my firm is far larger, they’re paying the identical cash for a smaller quantity of the corporate.

WELDON: (Imitating loud night breathing).

(LAUGHTER)

WELDON: Sorry.

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HOLMES: Properly, my level is, like, these are issues that to me, like, it is a new factor to know, offered by way of individuals coming in and being like, all proper, so – and I’ve to credit score Andy Dehnart of actuality blurred for this statement, however lots of people who are available in who’re like, mainly it is a towel with a gap in it.

(LAUGHTER)

HOLMES: It is a poncho, or it is a factor for once you lower hair or no matter (laughter). And that is how I’ve discovered all these issues that make Glen snore.

KEITH: My husband is an entrepreneur, and so we watch it partially, like, enthusiastic about, effectively, what is the subsequent step for what you are promoting? And would you sometime wish to get an investor? Or, like, you – he generally has these conferences with individuals, and it turns into like sport round actual life, besides extra enjoyable.

HOLMES: Yeah.

KEITH: And my husband doesn’t invent towels with holes in them.

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KEITH: Or – he does, like, apps and testing and coaching on-line, like completely not “Shark Tank”-worthy sort of stuff. A part of me needs there have been fewer, like, hey, I’ve received this goofy gadget, and extra, like, attention-grabbing enterprise ideas.

THOMPSON: Proper.

KEITH: However the, hey, I’ve received a goofy gadget does rather well on the present…

HOLMES: Yeah.

KEITH: …As a result of then, the second someone goes on that present, individuals instantly rush to their web site and purchase it.

WELDON: Proper.

HOLMES: Yeah.

KEITH: My understanding is that “Shark Tank” truly takes a lower…

THOMPSON: They used to.

KEITH: …Only for – oh, they used to – only for showing, although, as a result of there’s a “Shark Tank” bump.

HOLMES: Yeah.

THOMPSON: Yeah.

HOLMES: And the humorous factor is I am the alternative. I would like the goofy devices as a result of, to me, it is solely when it is an actual enterprise concept that I discover it boring. Like…

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KEITH: That may be the alternative of me.

HOLMES: Properly, so the factor that was so humorous is I keep in mind I watched the present for a very very long time. And you may sort of see them be like – they throw round a sure amount of cash and blah, blah, blah. And you may all the time see when, swiftly, they grow to be extraordinarily critical. And it is not all the time round enjoyable merchandise. Like, there was an episode one time the place a man who was a firefighter got here in, and he had developed a distinct method of attaching hoses – hearth hoses – that was imagined to be quicker than the best way that they screwed – unscrewed the cap after which screwed the factor again on. And it might save, like, X period of time, and it simply went snap. And the thought was you can promote them to all the fireplace departments who wanted them to connect it to a hearth hydrant.

And he was like, oh, yeah, that is my factor. And so they have been psyched about it ‘trigger if it is good, then you definately get to promote it to all the fireplace corporations in the event that they determine that it is one thing you want for security. However then, swiftly, they have been like, yeah, however the factor of fireside departments just isn’t, like, that massive of a market. And so they mentioned, effectively, wouldn’t it be doable to increase it to backyard hoses? And he was like, oh, yeah, I’ve that one in my pocket. And he pulls it out, and it is a little bit prototype for one that may work on backyard hoses, which means to your backyard hose, you would not must screw it on to the factor after which unscrew the factor. It simply goes snap, and it attaches to the hose.

WELDON: So it can save you time to ensure you can water the raspberries. Why is {that a} factor?

HOLMES: Have you learnt how lazy individuals are?

WELDON: OK.

HOLMES: Have you ever ever seen an individually wrapped scorching canine?

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HOLMES: Folks do not even wish to unwrap a scorching canine and put the remainder in a baggie. They need an individually wrapped scorching canine. They promote cereal in particular person containers with milk.

WELDON: Certain.

HOLMES: And it is as a result of individuals are – should you assume individuals aren’t too lazy to purchase a factor that may make attaching your backyard hose right into a one-snap factor, you underestimate what is actually American about “Shark Tank.”

WELDON: There you go.

(LAUGHTER)

HOLMES: And that’s it addresses the laziness of the populace.

(LAUGHTER)

HOLMES: Anyway, they turned very critical about that, despite the fact that it wasn’t that whimsical.

THOMPSON: Talking of whimsical, one factor that I’ve come to understand in regards to the present – one in all my fears with this present was that it was going to be a parade of silly, humiliating pitches from wacky idiots.

HOLMES: Oh, yeah.

KEITH: Yeah.

THOMPSON: That it was going to be – that there was going to be this sort of “American Idol” type. And each occasionally…

WELDON: There’s a component of that.

HOLMES: It occurs sometimes.

KEITH: However it’s uncommon.

THOMPSON: However it’s not essentially, like, a very idiotic factor. There’s often some…

HOLMES: Generally it’s, however yeah.

THOMPSON: There have been these two guys who got here in wearing potato costumes whose enterprise was, like, they might mail someone a potato…

HOLMES: Yeah.

THOMPSON: …With a message scrawled on it, and one in all them purchased it.

(LAUGHTER)

HOLMES: Properly, that is as a result of Robert purchased the humorous ugly sweater firm, and it did very, very effectively for him.

I do wish to ask, Tam, I heard that you simply had some ideas about sort of gender dynamics with this present, and I used to be interested by what these have been.

KEITH: It is a few issues. One, it does really feel like if there is a rotating visiting character, often it is a dude who replaces one of many two ladies.

HOLMES: Yeah.

KEITH: And for some time there, there was just one lady at a time.

HOLMES: Proper.

KEITH: And infrequently they – you already know, there was a latest episode. I do not even keep in mind what – oh, it was they have been attempting to promote rings. And they also – it is sophisticated. However anyway, they introduced in these very muscular males.

HOLMES: Oh, sure.

WELDON: I noticed that one.

KEITH: And so they’d be like, Barbara…

THOMPSON: Yeah.

KEITH: …We have some muscular males for you. And it is identical to, ew. Cannot they…

WELDON: (Laughter).

KEITH: Cannot the ladies on this present simply be fellow sharks and never get fully stepped on by the dudes, like not get into these bizarre yelling fights with Mr. Great? Can we simply let the ladies be equals?

HOLMES: Yeah, I agree. And I believe it’s true, particularly with Lori, that as a result of she does QVC, there’s some attention-grabbing gender dynamics round the truth that, like, she’s the one who does QVC and retail at, like, locations like Mattress Tub & Past. She is considering ladies. She’s enthusiastic about promoting to ladies more often than not, and never essentially rich ladies. She’s enthusiastic about promoting to ladies who do a variety of the buying in the USA. So I believe generally when guys like Cuban and Chris Sacca – they wish to domesticate an concept that their funding stuff is extra horny.

THOMPSON: Yeah.

HOLMES: And I believe she’s far more like, I will put this in an endcap at Mattress Tub & Past and earn more money than you, you already know, despite the fact that your factor could be cooler.

KEITH: Did she do the Squatty Potty?

HOLMES: I can not keep in mind who did the Squatty Potty.

(LAUGHTER)

HOLMES: However, sure, the Squatty Potty was on “Shark Tank.” And once more, individuals laughed. However lots of people have a Squatty Potty now.

WELDON: Yup. And you already know…

KEITH: Have you ever ever been in a home in, like, the visitor toilet and been like, oh, Squatty Potty?

HOLMES: I’ve not.

KEITH: Me neither.

(LAUGHTER)

HOLMES: However I do know of people that have.

WELDON: RuPaul herself was speaking them on “Drag Race.”

HOLMES: Actually?

KEITH: Actually?

HOLMES: Good. Properly, “Shark Tank,” you already know, does exit into the world and intersect together with your life in sudden methods.

THOMPSON: Greater than most actuality reveals do, together with ones that attempt to intersect with precise life.

HOLMES: Yeah. I do know. It is true.

Properly, we wish to know what you concentrate on “Shark Tank.” Come and discover us at fb.com/pchh and on Twitter – @pchh. Thanks for listening to POP CULTURE HAPPY HOUR from NPR. We’re all the time completely happy that you simply put money into us, and we’ll see you all proper again right here tomorrow.

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